by Brent » Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:45 am
by kitesurfer » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:13 am
by esonscar » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:26 pm
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by billie_morini » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:54 pm
by tree4 » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:03 am
by Kabazz » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:14 pm
tree4 wrote:Ok as someone who surfs at Bournemouth (its called Boscombe actually), lives in the area and pays council tax to fund the reef project I feel qualified to reply to some points.
Firstly, I would rather have 20 days of better surf than none at all.
Secondly, Boscombe is a bad place to surf as its over crowded due to the limited length of waves and full of swimmers in the summer. Having a dedicated area for surfers can only help.
Thirdly, I would rather have the council spend money on this than another revamp of the shopping area so that the cosumerites can find a 20th place to buy a Prada handbag.
Hype there most definitely is. But when all is said and done, we will be happy with what ever improvement comes.
Hope this doesn't sound confrontational, it's not meant to be.
by Ged » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:37 pm
by Brent » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:18 am
by Roy Stewart » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:45 pm
by Brent » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:21 am
by Roy Stewart » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:39 am
by Brent » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:06 am
by Roy Stewart » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:07 am
by Brent » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:33 am
by kitesurfer » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:37 am
by robnixon » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:33 pm
some of you may remember me - I used to be about here awhile ago. I've watched from a distance the Bournemouth project & hubris, and really think I need to comment...
My qualifer is I live within several hundred meters of the artifical Reef here at Mount Maunganui, I surf near it pertty much daily, was involved within the fundraising & other aspects of the job and am looking out the window at the dark stain on the sea floor as I write this.
I also have copies of the original "resource consent" application, it's condions & all the paperwork...along with the supporting science.
Please. Dr Kerry Black is doing the same thing in Bournemouth as he did here. Which is excite a whole community - not just surfers but tourism operators, local retailers etc with promises of "the perfect wave" and a massive influx of tourism dollars. Which all sounds like here in 2005...it's all hype. Please believe me...
The truth is our reef, which is almost identical to yours design wise & location wise is a total failure. Largely due to siting it in a location that does not recieve cohesive long-period groundswell. In our site that would happen less than 20 days per year. Sound like Bournemouth?
Also if you look at the design it relys on the area around the reef having stable bathymetery - to enable the incoming swell to "jack-up" on the reef as it hits it & fire off. The truth is this doesn't happen anywhere other than Kerry's wave pool.
The area around our reef (and yours too) will become soon after completion surrounded with sand (like snow-drifts - because that's what sand does around structures like reefs, wharfs etc) that lessen it's ability to shape & form "the perfect wave". the end result will be an errant, odd wave, that collapes in sections, that will be enjoyable for kid boogie-boarders and those who like padding out for a laugh & standing on it at low tide. Like us here. I spend more time floating over ours with a mask & snorkel on looking at little fishes than surfing it...because it's complete cr*p.
You're all smart, you understand that the reef is a "tool" that requires energy to make it work. If the site didn't have this energy originally - it won't have it when the reef is completed. You'll all be standing there looking out at the thing waiting for magic to happen....
Don't get too excited, don't get hopeful. Don't be disappoined. Like the whole surf community here.
Now, if only we could get Kerry to accept some responsibility & come back & partially fund it's removal from our sea bed...oh, that's right - he's over there now far enough away so you can't hear the shouting.
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