ElenaPVR wrote:if it's crowded and i want to be further out or in what's the best place to be in?!
If it's crowded and you're inside (towards the shore) then you're just in everybody's way and it's a dangerous place to be too. If you're on the outside, then you're unlikely to catch a wave.
So there are three options.
1) Sit in the middle of the pack and take the waves that are yours - not very realistic during the learning phase. And sometimes not that much fun at any phase.
2) Sit further out on the shoulder - that is, the same distance away from the shore but further away from the peak. You won't get as many, and you have to be very careful about making sure someone's not already on the wave, but you can often get a sneaky one (sometimes a sneaky big one) that noone else can get.
3) Change peaks. I hate surfing in crowds (so I moved to Sydney, way to go DBBB ) and will almost always take an inferior but uncrowded peak over the best-but-crowded peak.