Benl20 wrote:Okay this may seem like an absolutely stupid question but why do board makers leave the blanks inside the board once they are done? Surely the glass and resin make the board watertight so would it not be better from a weight point of view to get rid of the inner foam, probably by dissolving it in liquid chemicals and draining them out, before glassing that final hole and finishing. Non constructive criticism is welcome
CLINT wrote:Ive seen most of those variations too and all the effort makes me think that surfboard design is dead, and has been for a long while, its snookered itself into such a tight corner that the only advances are in the advertising claims and bizarre names. And using a new weaved fabric or type of foam doesnt qualify it as an advancement.
Sure theres the redux of designs like Simmons, singles and quads. Which shows that any real design advance is likely to come from other surfcraft, maybe foam bodyboards because they started as a single design and (commercially) have never ventured far from the "rectangle of foam",WP forward, "vacuum rail" mold.
garbarrage wrote:What more is there you want a board to do? "Necessity is the mother of invention" and all that. I think the reason board design is stagnant, is because you can find a board to do anything you are capable of doing. There are pros tweaking the finer points who can push boards to their limits, but for the vast majority of the market, the products available are all you'll ever need.
Durability, I'll admit, is lacking (and I'm surprised we haven't gotten any further with it), but as for shape etc. I just don't see a big demand. The beauty of surfing is the simplicity. One person, one board, one wave.
garbarrage wrote:Durability, I'll admit, is lacking (and I'm surprised we haven't gotten any further with it), but as for shape etc. I just don't see a big demand. The beauty of surfing is the simplicity. One person, one board, one wave.
garbarrage wrote:What more is there you want a board to do?
garbarrage wrote:I tend to steer clear of epoxy. Not for any performance related reason, but because when they do get damaged they are harder to repair.
Jimi wrote:garbarrage wrote:I tend to steer clear of epoxy. Not for any performance related reason, but because when they do get damaged they are harder to repair.
It's identical to polyester - just use epoxy resin instead of sun-cure poly.
Rough up the area, then smear on the epoxy, and sand smooth after it's set.
The key thing with epoxy is that it needs to be mixed well, and at the correct hardener/base ratio otherwise it won't set.
Also it's bad for your hands.
garbarrage wrote:Clint, my point is, I think there's only so far we can take board design, as it's limited by what a surfer is capable of. For the average surfer, a board that makes them surf better usually involves a little extra foam in a few specific (to the surfer) places. For the pros it usually means removing foam from a few select places. Currently there are already boards out there that will do anything I want them to do. And pros work closely with their shapers to squeeze every last ounce of performance out of a design. But the design template is nearly always the same.
There may be some revolutionary design yet to come, but I can't imagine it will be any time soon. Eventually the optimum design will be reached, and I believe it has been in each area (short long etc). Its only finer details that are tweaked for an individual surfer.
CLINT wrote:Imagine Simon offering up the Thruster in 1980 and being told that no-ones interested at all because it doesnt fit the current business model ????
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