shaping my second board for blueyan

[gixer]

blueyan has stepped up to be my first customer,wanting a super fish,i learnt a lot doing my own fish and i hoped i could improve on that..
things i got better at/learnt...

relef cuts..in a fish tail this is amazing help
more time on the concave
using cheap masking tape is a bad idea
airbrushing is harder than i thought
"fred" was a good help...cheers for that!
i was scared of my planer last time,this time it was goooood!(although my neighbours may not think so as i was doing this at 8am)
my garage is big enough to do fish,shortboards...superfish is a push...im going to need a bigger garage to do a longboard.
dont stroke cats after glassing

[oldgrom]

HA HA yes indeed your getting it and with the more you do the better you'll get with the do and do not's ha ha ha ..!!! Your neighbors will allso get used to it or hate the hell outya,,,ha ha the cat will love to be pet with all the resin crap on your hands..... and the phone,wife,kids,etc will allways need your attention when your mixing,sanding,routering,etc.ha ha
Just keep the toxins and micro dust away from momma and the lil one !! as for the cat!!!?? shave it......ha ha. Hey are you buying blanks or making the blank yourself?? Way cheaper to make blanks. Good luck happy surfing and show the pics.

[gixer]

being as this was my second board i thought i knew it all,placed all my tools out ready,brushes,pots squeegee mug of tee ect and started my resin mix,ten minutes in i realise ive put it all on the washing machine which just kicked in i can only describe it as juggling.....various stuff like planners,cups,pots of resin tryed to hit the floor while i was trying to get around te board.bit messy,but i got there in the end

[gixer]

ive hit a snag,i glassed the bottom yesterday,all well.but today when i examined the deck found some over spray that has stained the deck a biti tried to sand i out but no go.ive glassed the top today and as i expected its showed through,its only a small amount but its near the nose so even the wax wont cover it.i thought about a cheat by using some more color over it.i know ian wont mind as he knows im on a learning curve....i keep reading differet thingson where to paint in te proccess...on the foam,on the sand coat some help here please!

[oldgrom]

Hey brah no worries!!! HA HA HA on the wahing machine delema though(been there done that.... And worse!!! HA HA ) recomend you do a total garage rebuild ( I know it sucks!!!!! but ya gotta do it!!! youll be happy in the end, that way the washing machine stays a washing machine and you've got a lil set up going for your future board creations plus a lil workshop for??? u name it( I'd send ya some pics but wife lost digital camera. O.K. since Ive been there done that.... You can absolutly paint the foam or dye foam or pigment mix resincoat/sandcoat as well as paint the lamanate coat or the sand coat (once sanded of course) and yes if your a cheap prick could paint the polish coat and spray clearcoat over the top. I have done foam ( eah it's ok better as dye/pigment) and prefer to airbrush or paint pen the sanded laminate coat for it will get great protection, the least I'll ever do is paint the slick sand coat and polish coat over it (and cross fingers I don't F it up polishing it!!!-- (easy to do so carefull). HA HA once I put my head firmly up my arse and was painting a board not seeing I was painting a two for one special major sucked!!! Consulted a (shaper God in terms) and he told/showed me a few fix tricks: 1st every day hardware store wall spacle spead over board thin coat sanded with very fine paper turned out verry white clean and was a super smooth surface to laminate to plus it will fill any voids or (oops overspray) making a great bond of board/resin/cloth. 2nd must inspect and inspect again before you proceed to the next step !! ( but you allready know that now). You could have used a white off white to airbrush or hand brush spots and they would have dissapeared. If it's not to bad leave it and learn from it, (we are all still in a learning curve so no worries) if it's hairy dog sac ugly well... then it looks like your gonna be doing a kick ass airbrush paint job on the laminate coat and proceed to the finish line. If your anything like me the customer might not mind it's I who minds and won't have it leave looking the least bit fugly.Even if it means start over!!!!! as for airbrush/paint pen as I wrote it's worked the best and have had a many happy people.

[oldgrom]

Oh yea I saw you were looking for longboard plans did ya get em or do ya still need em??? If so what are you loking for??? I might have em.

[gixer]

thanks for that oldgrom.i didnt think of covering it with a white if im not happy with it then ill take the hit and order another blank and keep it myself i know from the last one that any fault shows right through...and im kicking myself....this oly happened cos the masking lifted wheni was spraying....

[oldgrom]

HA HA HA ......Mother F@#!en tape SON OF A #$#@!@$##@ mumafruma. Oh well live and learn. Sometimes duct tape is in order vs painters tape!!! I allso keep the mind set for my inspections before glassing/painting etc. that it's like auto body work or any paint prep "paint don't hide a dent or scratch prep does that so check and double check allways indoor light outdoor light and at all angles (check everything like your doing surgery!!!) Hope it all helps (oh I'm tellin ya to get you shop in order for it will help the most in building new sticks, especialy when it get's closer for the lil one to come or is here !!! ) Helps Big time!!! HA HA trust me I know ha ha my garage looked lik yours at first!! HA HA

[gixer]

you are a star! im taking this shaping personally.just a thought...can i re spray the whole thing on the sand coat?

[oldgrom]

Yes you can. Keep this in mind,, If your trying to make it white or look like foam STOP!!!! It realy dosent look good!! I have found that using an airbrush or a great quality touch up gun using some more specialized paints on the entire surface looks great (you chose the color and tecnique,,, after all it's your creation,, right??) I like to tape off the stringer if it has one (spot touch with airbrush or hand brush lightly any ugly's showing(your opps spots) then spray with a (skys the limit) but something like this or so trans white 4 pearl blue 1 trans base 2 spray at a distance to just micro cover in paint ( one of my favorites is some whites,blues and translucents(camelleon change collors) sprayed on entire board (First sand smooth and semi polish/wet sanded..right?? ) Then the board with I gues the best way to describe it is a light fog misting of paint evenly all over but not quite covering or hideing anything and the prismatics in the change color type of paint reflects in so many different shades and directions you don't realy ever look deeper than that and the board and paint both hold like a ghost image that is ever changing with angle and light. Keep in mind too that this is on a sand coat so you have two choices now 1 sand allmost all of the sand coat off,paint and recoat in sand coat then polish coat yer done or 2, paint and polish coat over the paint (being realy realy F'n carfull you don't sand/polish through (or you'll be supper f'n mad!!!) Look into some chamellion paints translucents and transparents in the colors ya want chamellion is nuetral so it can be mixed great... Practice first on something and consult your client of couse. Of couse your taking this shaping thing seriously...... YOUR NAME IS ALL OVER IT !!!!!! Ya don't wan't some 3bit whore board out there representing you.... Trust me I know
Ultimately brah I would say practice some oppsy fixes on your customers er um I mean your new board after you get crackin on your customers new board It's not like you don't want 2 or sell it to sombody else as one of your new creations and build the original plan for your customer. Sorry I know it sucks and is more work but such is life. Try to take some pics so I can see just how bad it is and think up a solve for the problem.

[oldgrom]

Gixer sorry my bad man I forgot to tell ya add paint retarder to your paint mix if you chose to do something like this for you will be spraying from a distance so you need to make sure the paint stays wet durring the atomization so it will matain good paint adhesion ( give it time wait patiently for a full 24hrs each side) to fully dry. I made a jig/stand to hold surfboards vertical by the center fin and three different center fins as a mount block so I can paint allmost the whole board at once look for a stand design online there there make one I highly recomend it!! good luck

[oldgrom]

Hey gixer anouther good friendly help u site is www.greenlightsurfsupply.com they have FREE dowloadable templates as well as rocker set and stand jig templates/paterns.

[tree4]

..... as for the cat!!!?? shave it......ha ha.

LMAO

[Johno]

Alrite Gixer see your having a go shaping ya self well in, Have ya been out much? theres not been no surfage for me for a few weeks but this weekend is looking good ye ha

east coast or west????

[gixer]

hi jono,no surf here for a while yep on my second board now......good fun it'd have to be west coast for me!

[gixer]

thanks mr old grom,one more question(for now )ive used acrylic system 3 for the paint,do i need to use celluse for the sand coat or can i use the acryllic?

[bluyan]

so its all under control karl can't wait to see it

i may be able to get over to angelsey on sunday for about 1ish.not deffo yet but a good chance.

what you got planned apart from readin shapin books

whats you up to johno??

[Johno]

Good to hear from both you 2 westerners!

am going east this weekend with me girl for 3 days (scarbrough) should get some good sweel all 3 days cant wait

We will all have to have north walse meet on anglsey or some were, here comes all the winter swell i cant wait!

Gixer, taking up shaping! i know were my next boards coming from

c u buds

[oldgrom]

Well..Hmm Not so sure on that one(I don't use that type of paint) but my quick research shows it is basicly the same as any of my paints. If in doubt trust the good ole rattle can clearcoat and spray a light coat let dry and then top with a sand coat with whatever and proceed to the finish line you'll be fine. Sometimes (75%) It's a good idea to give a quick squirt with clearcoat just to hold the art work/paint in place for sure so ya don't smear/rub any of it off. I say proceed forward you'll be ok.

Where's the pics????? And did ya shave the cat??? HA HA .

[gixer]

i think ill consult my mate about this as it was him that suggested the system 3 acryllic..
i just sand coated the deck,and ill leave that till late tommorow to do some sanding.