Males, 18-30 years old, that for voted for Bush...

[Ironside]

myfoothurts, ousting Saddam was fine. Because I am unhappy with the management of the war doesn't mean I am against ousting Saddam Hussein. It's much deeper than that, I'm afraid.

So I don't have to repeat myself (as I have for the past year, though not on this site) I will give you views with these links.

My thoughts on the war in Iraq.

My thoughts on fighting terror abroad.

My thoughts on the reasons we were gven for war with Iraq.

[hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf]

well what i meant was that they have a right to bash our president. people here bash france all the time. Michael moore was bias, but sadly it was all true. for me that film was focused on bush, but you could have made the same film about any president. it was about corporations and government action. you can read about things such as america supporting and funding terrorist groups years ago and a whole lot of other stuff, like why were giving israel aid even though they have nuclear arms. why did we go to iraq when pakistan, north korea, iran and many other countries actually have these weapons. to free the people? then why arnt we sending troops to end the genocide in Darfur? i dont like kerry either, supported by big business, its not hard to find where either of their interests are.
fleshin' walmart, fleshin' suvs, and fleshin' war.

yeah hawaii sucks its too hot, you know this when you cant concentrate or even sleep at night because when your legs touch they sweat. its november and it feels like 93 degrees. you no longer enjoy that kind of heat when youve been in it for your whole life, i dream of snow and steam from my breath. people say im so lucky to live in "paradise" but all i want to do is leave. im planning on moving to washington. anyway i could rant about hating hawaii even more than i can rant about politics so ill spare you.

[Brent]

Moore. Now there is a man who's squandered a perfectly good opportunity to destroy George Bush & his increasingly irrelavant policies.
If only Moore had been more objective and done a proper journalists job...rather than be just plain entertaining...

Nope, Moore wasted that one.

[babyboarder89]

myfoothurts, ousting Saddam was fine. Because I am unhappy with the management of the war doesn't mean I am against ousting Saddam Hussein. It's much deeper than that, I'm afraid.

that is the first time i have heard anybody else say that. i think in all the anger about the lies everybody forgot that saddam was not exactly a saint.

hawaiisucksexceptsurf... good point, its about time people started to do something about the human rights violations in places like burma, korea and iraq.

[libby]

All above points are excellent and although myfoothurts does, at least for a second, make me stop and think i cant disguise that i was compleltley mortified to here bush was back in. I stayed up that night to watch the elections with a house mate who is an american history and politics student. Not normally an emotional guy he went to bed in tears that night although the official result had not been announced. I went on an ireland field trip for my uni course with a bunch of americans who are studying at my uni and am now good friends with all of them. All of them trash talk bush and all of them are against him and his reelection. A biased sample perhaps as they are all environmental science students, all at uni in england but u thought one of them might be pro bush, at least a bit... but no.

Also baby boarder i couldnt agree more that human rights issues need to be dealt with the world over but HOW DARE america go around essentially punishing other countries for poor human rights records when there own is so abbissmal?!!!!! This is what really, really riles me.

I had no faith in John Kerry either to be honest but i felt that in this case any change would have been a good one. It scares me that i have no control over such a worldwide issue such as the presidency of america although i dont have any ridiculous idea that i should be able to vote it does suggest to me that America really is a superpower and its actions are going to affect all of us, especially those countries that allie itself with it or those it chooses to target. Scary, strange and depressing times. Lets hope we are near the end of the violence but i think alot of young people at UEA either british or American feel that the violence so far is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Brent]

Libby you hit the nail on the head there.

Thinking further about the election (and this will be my last post/rant on the subject)... I don't think George Bush so much won the election...really, John Kerry LOST the election...does that make sense? If Kerry had been a viable alternative he would have won.
From my outsiders point of view, he got lost in the show biz of the thing, flip-flopped on a few key issues and didn't appear to be 100% resolute in his beliefs. The great unwashed picked up on this.

There is a saying in politics, "people don't turn out in huge numbers to vote a man in...they turn up to vote a man out" or something like that. Happy people don't bother going to the polls. The largest American voter turnout was 1960 (61 or 63% I think)) to vote Kennedy in. There was a ground swell of change desired by the people at that point in history.

Bush was lucky this time due to a weak/irresolute challenger. Next time around with Bush going anyway I think there will be a groundswell of change back to liberalism. Just like 1960. Lets hope anyway.

Good thread..

[Ironside]

that is the first time i have heard anybody else say that. i think in all the anger about the lies everybody forgot that saddam was not exactly a saint.

Same goes for Kim Jong Il of N. Korea and several other leaders.

hawaiisucksexceptsurf... good point, its about time people started to do something about the human rights violations in places like burma, korea and iraq.

People = The United States on the American tax payer's money.

I'm kinda tired of financing the liberation of people that don't even like us and are are unwilling to help out themselves.

[Brent]

But you miss the whole point of middle eastern meddling by America.
It's not to liberate anybody, nor to increase democracy, nor to make the world a better place.....it's to ensure a continous, moderately priced, crude oil supply continues to be available for the biggest user on the planet. Lets be honest - as a society ya'll love your SUV's way too much don't ya??
Even Arny owns a bright yellow H2!!!

[hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf]

I'm kinda tired of financing the liberation of people that don't even like us and are are unwilling to help out themselves.

then why would you support the war on iraq and your "freedom fighting" buddies? i assure you that sending peace keeping UN troops and aid to a place like darfur would be as much if not more of a "liberation" than the iraq war. i dont think you realize just how bad it is in these countries. there are young 8 year old boys being armed and forced to kill the mothers and children of their own village.

and brent- what do you mean "even arny has an h2" ...arny was the first to own a hummer, hes the one who made it such a fad. ive been looking for an anti-suv bumper sticker but havent found a good one yet.

[Ironside]

I'm kinda tired of financing the liberation of people that don't even like us and are are unwilling to help out themselves.

then why would you support the war on iraq and your "freedom fighting" buddies?

I don't support the war in Iraq, at all!
I never have. I have only spoke out against it.
This is why I have this website, Rage Report.

I support our troops because they are only following orders.
I will never turn my back on our troops.
But, I will never support a President like GW Bush, either!