by Ironside » Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:02 am
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by myfoothurts » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:21 am
by Brent » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:30 am
by babyboarder89 » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:25 pm
by Ironside » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:33 pm
myfoothurts wrote:im 18 and i voted for bush. a lot of the people my age who voted for bush didnt base their vote on the war status. there are a number of moral issues that came into play this election and that's a big reason why I made the decision i did.
by Brent » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:48 am
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by k mac » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:12 pm
by myfoothurts » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:55 pm
Brent wrote:What, like gay marriage. Why is that such an "moral" issue for Americans?
Here is the deal in my country. About 2% of the adult population is gay (or "out" as they say) and, being a civilised country we're are about to allow gay civil union. Why? Here's the real reason...
Gay people do live together. Like it or not. They always have & always will. The accumulate assets, property, photo-albums, pets, joint purchases like cars etc and pension funds.
The problem is their status as a couple is not legally recognised. If you are a man & woman and live together here for more than 2 years you're as good as married under law.
But gay, nope, you can spend your whole life together, accumulate a home & all the trappings...and when you die even if you Will clearly states benefactor...your distant relatives or whoever have more claim on your assets than your lifelong partner...that is not fair.
Or the other things us hetros take for granted, like if you go into hospital your "partner" cannot sign releases, nor sign approval for treatment, nor sign organ donor forms & accept your possesions should you die....heck if you're admitted to intensive care or Trauma Center...they, being not family but a "friend" only, cannot even visit you without a relatives permission. How unfair is that. Imagine being treated like a second-class citizen your whole life. How much dignity is there??
You Americans are turning into bible bashing, right wing moralists. Specifically, how is allowing only about 2% of the population to share the same "rights" as you'll enjoy as a hetrosexual adult going to destroy the "fabric of your society"? How is the foundation of your society going to be eroded? when these people are a smaller minority than even the smallest racial group within your country...
Are you scared that as a result of this legislation whole lot of people will suddenly turn queer like Carson whats is name or something??
Like your president you're society is retrenching back to the 1950's, he now foolishly bases much of his foreign policy decisions now not on good diplomacy & tact...but on the bloody bible he's always bashing. To the increasing amusement of the rest of us in the civilised world.
What about all the new unseen legislation trashing your civil rights (the terrorism legislation), the obscenity that your country commits daily by holding "suspected" terrorists with no lawyers, right to trial...heck your country hasn't even got the guts to secure them on it's home soil...least the constitution gets a hold of your president for the crime.
So. answer my questions about gay civil unions will you? I am curious.
As our prime minister Helen Clark said famously last week. "Just because I choose to like Oranges it doesn't mean you shouldn't have the right to enjoy Apples"
by myfoothurts » Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:19 am
But, to me there is no bigger "moral issue" today than more than 1,100 Americans dying and another more than 8,000 injured, many losing limbs, for Bush's war of flawed allegations.
But, this isn't about me, me me. This is about America and ALL of her people. We need to look further than our own nose when we elect as President, and stop being so selfish.
myfoothurts, what are the "moral issues" that swayed you to Bush? What are the "moral issues" that you found more important than the slaughtering of our troops in Iraq, on stacked allegations?
by hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf » Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:55 am
by Brent » Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:40 am
by Brent » Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:53 am
by myfoothurts » Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:58 pm
hawaiiSUCKSexceptsurf wrote:"I'm sad to hear all the trash talking on my country, but im hoping i can change your opinions about us. (Americans) I really think most of us let the mass media sway our opinions and even formulate our opinions about each other and sadly, bad news gets the best ratings. "
excuse me sir but most americans trash talk about the president... trashing bush is not anti-american, its anti bush, just like when the democrats have their president in office he gets trash from the republicans. thats the purpose of a two party system.
rather than focusing on things like gay marriage, why dont we focus on getting universal healthcare, a nonpartisan issue. oh wait i guess it is, most republicans are either rich or have a good employer with insurance and they can afford to pay hospital bills.
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