Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby jaffa1949 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:30 am

So I started today and so I went out and shot myself. :shock: ...............................a few comparative pictures.
From the same spot and the first series is to show why most phone cameras don't cut it other than a quick get the shot because I've got nothing else.
I'm assuming you want to get some halfway decent shots of surfing, not just landscapes (being the I've been there type of shot). 8)
This a series by an Iphone 4 the basic information is ISO 80 3.9mm f/2.8 1/1257 all the zooming is done digitally, all saved as a jpeg file . I've also cropped out a section of the last shot to show how these shots react to any enlargement.
One amazing thing the human eye does a lot to accommodate visual data and corrects quite a lot itself. :wink:
Consider too that there is no movement except a bit of water, just rock shots if it is this poor, how would the camera capture movement :?: .
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Wide angle on an Iphone 4, next shots are incremental zoom

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This shot is a cropping of an area in the previous shot and is breaking up under the enlargement that comes with cropping.


As you can see the picture quality is poor throughout as the Iphone camera is 5 Megapixels and never was meant to be a serious camera,just a convergence of technology.

I have used no photoshopping or any computer techniques here other than the crop on the last shot.
I know other mobiles ( cell phones for the Americans, handis for the Austrians) have more megapixels but a lot of quality of shot loss is also in the digital zooming as opposed to optical zoom.

My simplistic verdict, are phone cameras any good for surf photography a resounding NO!
I will do some shots of surfers using the mobile ( that's me using it not them) so you can see dots at sea.

Next series of shots will be with a 10 mega pixel Olympus MujiTough waterproof point and shoot camera probably from the same spot.
FAQ me as we go, this won't be about technique at this stage just comparing camera options.
Have fun I don't know much yet but every posting, you and I will know more and soon and get to the cameras that can shoot the goods.
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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby drowningbitbybit » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:58 am

Jaffa's shots also prove that its almost impossible to get the horizon straight unless you're looking through a proper viewfinder :wink:
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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby jaffa1949 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:25 am

drowningbitbybit wrote:Jaffa's shots also prove that its almost impossible to get the horizon straight unless you're looking through a proper viewfinder :wink:


Absobloodilutely :lol:
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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby surf patrol » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:33 am

that I can fix with photoshop :lol:
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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby jaffa1949 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:42 am

surf patrol wrote:that I can fix with photoshop :lol:


Of course you can, but it's interesting the more you straighten the more the centre of the picture develops distorted look .

We are going to try to get people taking good shots basic photography before anything else!

Secrets to straight and level horizon, spirit level nailed to head :shock:
Become so level headed you dribble from both sides of your mouth :!:
Have a camera with a real view finder! Viewing what you see through the lens is vital = what you see is what you get.

The cameras that fulfill that best at the moment, are digital single lens reflex cameras DSLR with the ability to change lenses, benefits high quality optics and range of lenses with the ability to capture small objects the long distance viewing, special effects.

There are now digital cameras that allow the shot viewing with an LCD display that now also take the lenses.

This will come down to personal preferences.

Most camera brands have a system that prefers their own lenses, there are however third party lenses that can be chosen with the ability to match the camera brand.

More about that later !

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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby jaffa1949 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:19 am

Right here is a series of shots taken from the same place with a 10 Mega pixel Olympus Muji 1030
tough, it is the one I take my watershots with I also have a housing for slightly more challenging surf breaks but the present project for me is to get used to using it instinctively as in the water, I cannot clearly see the LCD screen to fully compose my shots whilst dodging surfer and duck diving, so it is currently smaller surf taken from sandbanks in the lineup. Sitting on a board adds too much equipment and body to get out of the way of the surfer :shock:

Now the shots still only landscape as i want to feature surfers in composition a little later.
The camera features a wide angle of view (equivalent to 28mm in 35mm format) and its 3.6x optical zoom range covers most subjects that appeal to everyday photographers (including portraits). Which means it is a good average camera.
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All these shots are taken with landscape setting and are a progressive change from wide angle to zoom
ISO 80 5mm f/3.5 1/100
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Same shot as above but I photoshopped it to show a falsely unlevel horizon how daggy does the shot look?
Having a clear vision in shooting helps view finder or LCD
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Beginning to zoom
ISO 80 11.8mm f/4.7 1/125
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full zoom and as you can see pixelation is happening again, it is difficult to see clearly in these small post shots ISO 80 18.2mm f/5.1 1/160
ISO 80 18.2mm f/5.1
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Again cropping around the same area shows the increasing pixelation as cropping provides enlargement.


As you can see with this camera and others of this type you would be hard pressed to produce a good surf photo from the beach, yet in the water you can get shots like this.
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BTW this is an older model the current model is around 14 megapixels and has more bells and whistles.
Most of the major brands are producing waterproof cameras, but make sure they are rated to at least 10 metres.
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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby jaffa1949 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:58 am

I bumped this because it got left out of the photography forum and I'm not sure how to move it to its new home. :(
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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby surf patrol » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:21 pm

moved.
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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby jaffa1949 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:41 am

Too kind , thank you sir! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now let's get on to a basic DSLR camera and see the jump in quality, this was an entry level camera a few years back and is 10 megapixels same as the Olympus Muji 1030 tough used above you will see difference optics make in the ability to enlarge your shots.
Boring enough the same spot for the shots so I've only posted 3 on the landscape setting of the camera a fully wide a zoomed and then a crop to show the increasing quality. I should be said too that the lenses used here are what is usually sold as a twin lens kit with the camera and are of adequate quality, (the higher ranges of lens can do serious damage to your credit card).
They have image stabilisation in the lens other camera brands have their stabilisation in the camera ( more about stabilisation later).
The lens used is an EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5- 5.6 IS
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ISO 100 28mm f/9 1/160

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ISO 100 55mm f/9 1/160

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the area has been cropped out again, with the zoom handled by the lens the enlargement from cropping is noticeably less pixelated! But is just beginning to show.


As you can see, much improvement.

So I don't go through another set of that corner of the world here is a shot taken with Canon EOS 550D
with a Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5- 5.6L IS lens there is no cropping the camera is on automatic landscape setting.
The point of showing this shot is that getting close optically is way better in quality than anything you can do with digital zoom.
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ISO 3200 380mm f/8 1/500


With that sort of quality in camera and lens you can more easily shoot shots like this!
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Postby Jimi » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:05 am

good stuff Jaffa. Interesting to see that your 55mm zoom here is about the same zoom as the fully zoomed olympus! I was expecting more zoom out of the olympus.

Of course the iphone is a digital zoom, and it's clearly a very wide angle lens, so no surprises there about a camera designed for close portraits.
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Postby jaffa1949 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:17 pm

I've just about finished my research into various DSLR cameras and opinions about them + a little more about the new compact lens taking systems as well. I'll put them head to head and see what gives about a week away now :D
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Postby jaffa1949 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:29 pm

Well after a bout of flu and lack of surf I finally got down to produce this set of thoughts about the high end of digital photography.
This is a comparison of digital SLR ( single lens reflex ) cameras and then on to CS ( compact system) cameras.

We are now talking about where you want control creatively, you wish to put some elements of design and composition into your shots. You will most likely want interchangeable lenses and have a wider range of subjects you wish to shoot ( both large and small).

You want a camera that covers you at a PhD level (press here dummy) and when you get creative does the fancy stuff.
You can change apertures, ISO and do a heap of other stuff. (See Jimmy’s section on this. http://www.surfing-waves.com/surf-photography.htm)
IMO The real creative stuff is better done at the camera end and then can be brought to an even better level in your computer.

Let’s talk about DSLRs first. First fact they are bigger and heavier than compact cameras.

The reflex part is a mirror which reflects the picture you wish to see and take through to the viewfinder some now also display the picture on their LCD screen (which can be really helpful if it pulls out and swivels so you can take shots at angle where you couldn’t access the viewfinder).
Benefits here are: what you see is what you get when you press the button the mirror flips up and the light hits the sensor= click picture taken, very little noticeable difference between what you saw and what you shot!

In sports settings you can take multiple frames per second and get sequences of movement! More frames per second = more shots. PhD system of surf shooting bang away cull the lousy shots!

There is no parallax error ( cause you see what you shoot) with an DSLR, so it is much harder to chop off heads and you can play with zoom to get exactly the shot you want.

Focus too is better because you see the exact shot in the viewfinder and can pull it into focus on the lens, there is also multiple point auto focus and full automatic settings for each type of shot you wish to take at PhD level.

Brands to consider.
Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax, Sigma, and Sony.
Depending on what I wanted to shoot I would review all for the megapixel count, shutter speeds range of lenses , frames per second.
Most now can also do HD video in a movie mode and have sound pick up.
Costs vary from about $600 AUD to TBA meaning very expensive and the model list is constantly changing.
A fair comment here is some of the expensive models have a cheaper companion model that has about 95% of the features but they are in a lighter non metal body ( so lighter but not quite as robust). This is not a problem if you look after your camera.

My advice if you are just starting out and you have a bit of money to spend go the basic 18 megapixel model and spend the rest of your money ensuring you get good lenses that can do what you want, cheap lenses will drag your work down somewhat!

All the brands mentioned above have a good range of lenses and some lenses like sigma are adaptable to Nikon and Canon mounts, be sure before you buy any third party lenses that they are compatible.
Speaking of buying, be aware be very aware, check that the camera you buy and the accessories are under a good warranty in your country or have a genuine international warranty (ebay imports for China, Hong Kong and other countries may not have the warranty) Some in country el cheapos may have this problem too.

Your pictures;
Size matters, remember when pictures taken by regular home photographers all came back from the photo store at postcard size, they usually looked fairly reasonable!!!
Blow them up and the bigger you get the worse they look. Film or digital
So how big do you want to go?
Let’s use a little page knowledge here.
A4 standard page for printers and fax machines, cut that in half gives you 2 A5s, put 2 A4s side by side and you have an A3.
Going beyond A3 to poster sizes means you want to work big time ( sorry about the pun)
If you want to digitally enlarge sections of your work then the bigger allowance of megapixels is important.
Most of the entry level cameras produce a least 12 or 14 megapixels on a slightly smaller sensor than the old 35 mm framing, this sort of gives your lens almost a 25% extra zoom.
The bigger sensors have a bigger pixels size and a greater number of pixels ( the dots that make up the picture) more dots better image better to enlarge.
That’s why size matters.

With a good lens, a good camera ( I suggest keeping lens and camera in the same brand) any thing from 10 megapixels up will produce a fair to good picture up to A3.

Another thing DSLRs offer is image stabilisation some in the lenses and others in the camera which allow you to work with different stops and takes the shakes out of your shooting especially when you are using big telephoto lenses and if you learn to hold the camera correctly you can also shoot at slower speeds.

If you are serious about your work think about tripods, monopods, gorilla grippers and other things including sand bags.
One thing though, a waterhousing for a DLSR is a big ticket item often about the same cost as your camera if not more. Do you buy cheap here? Absolutely not ( a failure will cost you your camera) be a good swimmer too

For the technical stuff refer back to Jimi’s shooters guide for the other things you do like, considering lighting, apertures, depth of field, speed for shots and after shot processing.

I’ll finish this post here, it may answer some of your questions about what to buy. Hope it helps.
I haven’t gone very technical as I’m offering it as a KISS review.
More questions please ask!
Next the CSC review and why I think they may be an answer for some photographers.

BTW not everything you see in a viewfinder is a surf shot
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Just something I shot on the way to a surf!
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Re: Uncle Jaffa's beginer Surf Photography!!!

Postby jaffa1949 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:58 am

Added to this thread as it will help

Postby esonscar » Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:45 pm
Okay - I promised myself I would no but into this topic but . . . GREY CARDS - GREY CARDS! Buy a photographic grey card, take an exposure reading offof this and hey presto - enough light information to make a decent photograph. As you get used to the Grey Card you'll be be able adjust the manual settings on any camera to get the shot you want. If the Grey Card reading shows the light is too dim - it's too dim end of - not your fault, then stop taking pics and go home to Photoshop for the ultimate image.

This is literally the first video I found on Utube about Grey Cards . . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ8lPKmYGc4
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