????Hows this happened???

[Dantastic1985]

Hi Guys,

I went on a trip to Cornwall for the week and managed to 'alter' the shape of my board. \it seems to now have quite a channel in the middle just to the right of the center line. The channel is about 60 cm long and must be 2.5cm deep.

I have taken the wax off, applied some cloth over the center line and brushed some resin over where it looked the weakest and got on with it.

Now I am progressing a bit its a huge hindrance, it puts you off balance when you try to stand up, one side of your bum goes in and sends you off balance sat in the line up and when you paddle you have to lie off line a bit to go straight.

How do I fix this? Do I need to cut it all out, add some Qcell and resin to build it up? If I took the top layer of glass off I feel I would need to remove the squashed foam. If I use qcell, how much do i need compared to resin?

Any responses welcome!!

Cheers

Dan

[jaffa1949]

Dantastic, how did you transport the board?
Dings like that are often the sort or thing airline cause by packing a board on a lumpy surface and then the board bumps up and down. Compression fractures.
On older board often where the rider strikes their heel in riding over the life of the board.
If you had the board in the back of your car on top of an object or maybe it's the dent where you split your head

Now I am progressing a bit its a huge hindrance, it puts you off balance when you try to stand up, one side of your bum goes in and sends you off balance sat in the line up and when you paddle you have to lie off line a bit to go straight.

Dan

This bit worries me, I am seriously wondering what sort of high end yoga you are doing on your pop up, to get your bum in the dent as you try to stand up

BTW It is a good idea to clean the wax off every now and then and thoroughly clean well around any repair areas. Often wax can hide a lot of deck dings.

IMO do nothing in repairs and work towards a new board ASAP.
You are running a great learning curve!

[Dantastic1985]

Hi dude. Thanks for the reply!

The board deffo wasnt damaged in transit. It was on the bed of the campervan in 2 board bags. It just sort of arrived about 3 days in. I was wondering if im maybe using my knee very hard on pop up?

As for the bum, i mean when your sat in the line up on your board waiting for the next set.

I know what your saying on a new board. This is my first one do im going to try snd get to the point where my ability exceeds what my board can do then move to a cool little shortie.

Just wondered if in the mean time its worth repairing the "trench".

[jaffa1949]

Could be you are driving down with your knees before you engage your feet in the pop, that could do that sort of damage. Lie down on your board on land and see if that's where you knees make pop up contact.
Maybe a little more work on your pop up because if that's the problem all your boards are going to cop that sort of wear!

I'd be a little reluctant doing a repair of that nature it will add a lot of weight to the board but the board is now an old dinger so it would be a good learning project on repairs. Q cell would do and you can slightly over fill the dented area and sand back flush before putting on over it!
Your call on that as to cost and time etc, interesting. Post pictures of the repair process if you do it!

[Dantastic1985]

Ok cool. In that case I will probably leave it as it is, first board and character etc etc. Plus its given me 10 stitches! If I ever do bother to repair it i will do a thread. If you think it will add too much weight however I am not looking to lose buoyancy at this stage.

[esonscar]

HI . . I'll do a carbon repair that will last for-ever if you'd like!

[Dantastic1985]

For what price?

[esonscar]

For what price?

A nice deck patch for £150.00 using Mitsubishi thin filament 3k strand twill carbon fibre cloth (i.e real and certified top class carbon fibre cloth ).

Other enhancements will be free (within reason - need to discuss such) if it will help me to help you.

Have a look at the pics and vids on my http://www.pocketboard.co.uk website (by scrolling down) to get a feel for the look.

Up to you . . . unless you want a full carbon

[libeccio]

knee dings...nothing to worry about, just work on your pop up technique...

if you want to perfectly repair all dings (and I suggest to NOT do it) you have to cut the resin, dig the foam and remove a little bit of it, replace the foam with thicker foam blocks, plane the surface and laminate again...but if the foam doesn't soak up water don't touch and keep surfin.

if the foam soak up water and you want to do a quick&easy repair then find the leaks, scrape the deck all around with 100sandpaper, buy a bi-component epoxy resin (i use a double epoxy panpipe from "BISON" that costs about 6€) , squeeze the panpipe and mix the components, spread the resin on the leaks, wait 12h and brush again wit sandpaper......not so good, but it works

[esonscar]

knee dings...nothing to worry about,

. . . .

Knee dings delaminate the deck of your board rendering it a flat sponge and will destroy your surfboard within months (depending upon use). The grade of fiberglass you have on this (your) surfboard is in no way able to withstand continual knee plant pop ups.

Either have it re-enforced now or throw the board away . . . it is a lightweight deck of 4 (or maybe 2!) ounces that simply will not last - no matter how well you can surf.

Enjoy the destroy or modify the toy

[Dantastic1985]

I think the underlying issue is that my pop up needs to improve! I can pop up on land really easy but im using my toes. I cant seem to get my toes on the end of my board for love nor money though.

Thsnks for the offer on the carbon. £150 seems a lot to spend repairing a £100 board though!!

[libeccio]

Thsnks for the offer on the carbon. £150 seems a lot to spend repairing a £100 board though!!

Yes....this is the point

Sorry esonscar for your business, but knee dings don't make the board blow up imho

[esonscar]

I think the underlying issue is that my pop up needs to improve! I can pop up on land really easy but im using my toes. I cant seem to get my toes on the end of my board for love nor money though.

Thsnks for the offer on the carbon. £150 seems a lot to spend repairing a £100 board though!!

Please read - £(cost to me) carbon repair in exchange for (my logo on your 'board). . .

'Tell you what, I'll fix it with top grade Mitsubishi carbon for £75.oo (you pay return p&p) . . . but only if you allow me to put my logo on your 'board so others would get to know of me as I am not a business in this field . . just an expert

Yes £150 is alot . . . but just one wrong breath over the carbon fibre cloth would ruin the perfect weave finish so desired as a bonus to its' strength and lightness. With carbon you pay for the carbon cloth and the skiil of 'glasser (if the glasser messed up and had to re-start, that's a whole new sheet of carbon which is vastly more expensive than the cost of decent fibreglass per sheet !).

I could however use single layer E-glass or even S-Glass Aerialite [much higher tensile strength than ordinary E fibreglass strands] and charge you £50.oo (with costs to me of, wait for it . . just just £1.50 plus time involved). If the cloth moved at all it would not matter as the refractive index of the resin I would make-up would be made to match that of the fibreglass cloth used so all and any flaws would be totally invisible (as would all of the cloth / resin). I would of course say it was actually perfect. With the carbons . . it has to be perfect . . you'd blatantly see it if it were not!.

So then, a light fragile £50.oo repair walloped in, or a £150.oo (£75.oo to you) tank proof deck applied by an expert that happens to be a work of art into the bargain ?

Okay . . . all the above might seem a bit over the top on a £100.oo 'board, but I bet I have you thinking 'what if' now!

Hey . . hang on a minute . . . leaky hollow carbon's cost sommit like £1200.oo new don't they ? with absolutely no guarantee ? (dunno) - ppppft, I'll include the repair of any carbon 'glassing defects free for two years, you just pay for p&p each time should a repair be required - Hey Presto you might now posses the most desirable carbon decked surfboard ever . . . with 24months free repair for the amazing outlay of just £175.oo + p&p [you should now be thinking " how much could I sell this on for? "!!!].



If you have read this far . . . what do you reckon? (I am police checked and can prove so as and when required as I must by law in my area of business) . . £75.oo + return p&p for a carbon decked 'board with 24 months guarantee as described above ? . . . hell it's gonna loose you £(100+ cost of another 'board) anyway . . . I reckon it's a no brainier. . . .

My way costs you £75.oo + p&p, your way costs you £100.oo + £New 'Board [EDIT: Plus effort and hassle and fuel and bad thoughts and mistrust and - omg !]

[esonscar]

Thsnks for the offer on the carbon. £150 seems a lot to spend repairing a £100 board though!!

Yes....this is the point

Sorry esonscar for your business, but knee dings don't make the board blow up imho

You don't surf much do you

[libeccio]

Thsnks for the offer on the carbon. £150 seems a lot to spend repairing a £100 board though!!

Yes....this is the point

Sorry esonscar for your business, but knee dings don't make the board blow up imho

You don't surf much do you

I surf enough man...easy....keep on selling your stuff

[Dantastic1985]

I think the underlying issue is that my pop up needs to improve! I can pop up on land really easy but im using my toes. I cant seem to get my toes on the end of my board for love nor money though.

Thsnks for the offer on the carbon. £150 seems a lot to spend repairing a £100 board though!!

Please read - £(cost to me) carbon repair in exchange for (my logo on your 'board). . .

'Tell you what, I'll fix it with top grade Mitsubishi carbon for £75.oo (you pay return p&p) . . . but only if you allow me to put my logo on your 'board so others would get to know of me as I am not a business in this field . . just an expert

Yes £150 is alot . . . but just one wrong breath over the carbon fibre cloth would ruin the perfect weave finish so desired as a bonus to its' strength and lightness. With carbon you pay for the carbon cloth and the skiil of 'glasser (if the glasser messed up and had to re-start, that's a whole new sheet of carbon which is vastly more expensive than the cost of decent fibreglass per sheet !).

I could however use single layer E-glass or even S-Glass Aerialite [much higher tensile strength than ordinary E fibreglass strands] and charge you £50.oo (with costs to me of, wait for it . . just just £1.50 plus time involved). If the cloth moved at all it would not matter as the refractive index of the resin I would make-up would be made to match that of the fibreglass cloth used so all and any flaws would be totally invisible (as would all of the cloth / resin). I would of course say it was actually perfect. With the carbons . . it has to be perfect . . you'd blatantly see it if it were not!.

So then, a light fragile £50.oo repair walloped in, or a £150.oo (£75.oo to you) tank proof deck applied by an expert that happens to be a work of art into the bargain ?

Okay . . . all the above might seem a bit over the top on a £100.oo 'board, but I bet I have you thinking 'what if' now!

Hey . . hang on a minute . . . leaky hollow carbon's cost sommit like £1200.oo new don't they ? with absolutely no guarantee ? (dunno) - ppppft, I'll include the repair of any carbon 'glassing defects free for two years, you just pay for p&p each time should a repair be required - Hey Presto you might now posses the most desirable carbon decked surfboard ever . . . with 24months free repair for the amazing outlay of just £175.oo + p&p [you should now be thinking " how much could I sell this on for? "!!!].



If you have read this far . . . what do you reckon? (I am police checked and can prove so as and when required as I must by law in my area of business) . . £75.oo + return p&p for a carbon decked 'board with 24 months guarantee as described above ? . . . hell it's gonna loose you £(100+ cost of another 'board) anyway . . . I reckon it's a no brainier. . . .

My way costs you £75.oo + p&p, your way costs you £100.oo + £New 'Board [EDIT: Plus effort and hassle and fuel and bad thoughts and mistrust and - omg !]

That sounds mega. All round mega. However, I will still have a 'trench' in my board will I not? I also wanted to about wax, can you wax the carbon bad boy? I presume you can still apply a tail pad to it?

I am on the whole quite interested in getting it done, how long would it take?

Dan