Getting to the nose or close to it.

[CHarvey]

While I personally like to do smooth arcing transitions down the wave I wasn't aware that due to brain washing over the 15 years I have been surfing is what makes it fun for me to hit the lip, do the floaters and other such inocuous manouvers that have no functionality or purpose on the wave. Thank you for freeing me from the tyranny that is billabong and hurley. I am now going to go and buy a pair of purple reeboks wait for the mothership behind hailbop and drink the cool aid.

[justloafing]

While I personally like to do smooth arcing transitions down the wave I wasn't aware that due to brain washing over the 15 years I have been surfing is what makes it fun for me to hit the lip, do the floaters and other such inocuous manouvers that have no functionality or purpose on the wave. Thank you for freeing me from the tyranny that is billabong and hurley. I am now going to go and buy a pair of purple reeboks wait for the mothership behind hailbop and drink the cool aid.

I like your thinking. The reason I started this thread was because getting to the nose sounds like a fun thing to do, not the "in thing" (I'm 50 and don't need to do the in thing.). To me it is a challenge and going to the nose is pretty retro (at least back to the 50's and 60's) I would think. I am way short in talent of smacking the lip and don't know if that sounds like a ton of fun to me but if it is for others, good for them. I don't know if thinking outside the box is a bad idea but to each his/her own. Someone had to think outside the box to shape the first surfboard.

[SilverShark78]

While I personally like to do smooth arcing transitions down the wave I wasn't aware that due to brain washing over the 15 years I have been surfing is what makes it fun for me to hit the lip, do the floaters and other such inocuous manouvers that have no functionality or purpose on the wave. Thank you for freeing me from the tyranny that is billabong and hurley. I am now going to go and buy a pair of purple reeboks wait for the mothership behind hailbop and drink the cool aid.

Hey, man. You can do and wear whatever you want. Somebody gave their opinion, then Roy gave his, then people talked down to Roy for giving his opinion and I simply agreed with what he was saying. I wasn't trying to critisize anybody or any type of lifestyle. Just showing some support for Roy's opinion.

You live and surf how you want.

[isaluteyou]

I am now going to go and buy a pair of purple reeboks wait for the mothership behind hailbop and drink the cool aid.

[CHarvey]

I wasn't picking on anyone in particular. I figured it might get a chuckle out of people and really show how stupid the debate really is. You can't really debate persoanl preference. All you can do is stand back and respect and appreciate another persons outlook and view on the situation. Doesn't mean you have to change your mind.

[isaluteyou]

I wasn't picking on anyone in particular. I figured it might get a chuckle out of people and really show how stupid the debate really is. You can't really debate persoanl preference. All you can do is stand back and respect and appreciate another persons outlook and view on the situation. Doesn't mean you have to change your mind.

couldnt agree more youve just said exactly what i was trying to say but instead you did it in a paragraph compared to my essays

[Roy Stewart]

I do have to agree with Roy on a lot of what he says. I think that a lot of the surfers out there, especially the ones on the magazine covers and in the advertisements, do these "maneuvers" and "tricks" just to score points, whether it's with a judge or with onlookers that he/she thinks is watching. It's very easy to be immersed into the "I want to do what looks cool" trend. Unfortunately, society and industry has taken such a strong hold on the lifestyle of surfing that there are very few reminents of pure soul surfing left.

Many believe that fighting the wave, and throwing as much water over the lip, is cool and radical. But the heart of surfing is not to resist the wave; it is to submiss one's self into the flowing energy that is being transmitted from the ocean to the surfer's soul, through the mediums of the wave of the ocean and the body of the surfer.

I can definitely see why Roy may think that noseriding falls into the category of "cool looking" trick that is done. It isn't necessary. And one surfer once said that a longboarder isn't "good" (it blows my mind that people think they can judge who is a good surfer, and who's not) unless he can ride the nose. Which is completely off. Surfing isn't a viewing sport, and I wouldn't even call it a sport.

But hey, to each thy own, right? If some guy wants to wear the latest pop surf fashion, and ride a wave like he thinks a bunch of judges like to watch, then go ahead. Not my style.

Hi Silvershark,

Not resisting the wave, and pure surfing is something that surprisingly few people understand, this is because it has no convenient and obvious features which can be used for marketing . . the marketing guys need handles and pure surfing doesn't give them any.

To the masses, pure surfing which is meditative and harmonises with the wave isn't inherently interesting as they are not naturally soul surfers. Most so called surfers are only in the game because it is popular and sociable. . . they will always deny this , as it's always the case that if the marketing is done correctly then the willing victim lives in a state of denial. . . . no noseriding fadster will EVER admit that marketing is even slightly responsible for their noserider purchase or awkward noseriding attempts, even though it is obvious that the surf industry wouldn't spend millions of dollars advertising such activities unless it made people buy into it.

So those few of us who remain unaffected by the ridiculously dysfunctional hula hoop longboarding tricks fashion and prefer to simply surf hear once again the cut and paste noseriding justification . . . . . "it's retro"


As far as pure surfing goes one either gets it or one doesn't

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[CHarvey]

I think I have some purple reeboks in your size though.....

[Roy Stewart]

I only wear vibram 5 finger or bare feet .

[CHarvey]

Never heard of em and I hate shoes

[isaluteyou]

because it is popular and sociable

It is wow i must be missing out on the sociable part then surfing is an individual sport last time i checked

Roy - Personal preference - Personal preference - Personal preference

What part of that are you missing.

Oh Charvey quality

[Roy Stewart]

Never heard of em and I hate shoes

Well I don't own any yet but they look like ideal winter booties, actually apart from surfing booties I haven't worn shoes for about 10 years at least, even in winter when it's frosty (like this morning) it's bare feet for me


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[Roy Stewart]

because it is popular and sociable

It is wow i must be missing out on the sociable part then surfing is an individual sport last time i checked

Roy - Personal preference - Personal preference - Personal preference

What part of that are you missing.

Oh Charvey quality

It's you who are missing the point. . . . you calling personal preference is like a lemming claiming personal preference by choosing which part of the cliff you ae going to run off

The entire marketing system is carefully designed to make you feel as if yo are acting as an individual but you are in fact acting as part of a carefully managed group mind.

It doesn't bother me if you noseride, I'm just describing what's going on, and I'm doing it without the billion dollar koolaid so it sounds unpleasant I'm sure, but at least you have the reassurance of safety in numbers. . . the lemmings always find that it helps a lot to do it together.


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[CHarvey]

Well typically Roy it's never so much what people say so much as how they say it. You can call someone an A@# hole but if you say it right they will say thank you when you are done. But either way, no matter how you speak your opinion it is just that....an opinion. I have a lot of them and I am sure everyone else on here does as well. Opinions are like A@# holes, everyone has one and they all stink. I think the problem here is that no one likes to be called a retard because something they like or enjoy goes against your opnion. Just as much as people can get all caught up on doing this trick or that trick, same could be said for those that act like they are supior because they don't conform or they are punk rock...whatever. Sometimes you cant see the forest through the trees.
As long as you are getting stoked, having a good time, and being cool with everyone on the wave who cares if you are surfing doing a hand stand because that way your feng shui is balanced. Blah blah blah

[isaluteyou]

because it is popular and sociable

It is wow i must be missing out on the sociable part then surfing is an individual sport last time i checked

Roy - Personal preference - Personal preference - Personal preference

What part of that are you missing.

Oh Charvey quality

It's you who are missing the point. . . . you calling personal preference is like a lemming claiming personal preference by choosing which part of the cliff you ae going to run off

Absoulutely if thats their personal preference thats it. Im aware you were making a joke but if someone in your opinion wants to jump off a cliff well let them

The entire marketing system is carefully designed to make you feel as if yo are acting as an individual but you are in fact acting as part of a carefully managed group mind.

Agreed - but that does mean you are just as much a part of it as everyone else. To say your not would to suggest you arnt human or are not part of any social structure........ I'll cut that one short as we could debate this philosophical reasoning all day

It doesn't bother me if you noseride, I'm just describing what's going on, and I'm doing it without the billion dollar koolaid so it sounds unpleasant I'm sure, but at least you have the reassurance of safety in numbers. . . the lemmings always find that it helps a lot to do it together.

Well i dont noserider because i dont even longboard But again opinions are individual - beleive it or not i respect everyones opinion including yours

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[Roy Stewart]

Well typically Roy it's never so much what people say so much as how they say it. You can call someone an A@# hole but if you say it right they will say thank you when you are done. But either way, no matter how you speak your opinion it is just that....an opinion. I have a lot of them and I am sure everyone else on here does as well. Opinions are like A@# holes, everyone has one and they all stink. I think the problem here is that no one likes to be called a retard because something they like or enjoy goes against your opnion. Just as much as people can get all caught up on doing this trick or that trick, same could be said for those that act like they are supior because they don't conform or they are punk rock...whatever. Sometimes you cant see the forest through the trees.
As long as you are getting stoked, having a good time, and being cool with everyone on the wave who cares if you are surfing doing a hand stand because that way your feng shui is balanced. Blah blah blah

Like I said, you either get it or you don't

You don't

Carry on.

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[RJD]

You seem to be the only one who gets 'it' Roy, and considering its your point, you gotta hope so eh.

[Roy Stewart]

Silvershark also gets it, as did many people in earlier times . . . the way of surfing I am talking about was once a Hawaiian tradition, and has always been a part of surfing.

Judging by the number of plans I'm selling for boards which are designed for pure surfing, and the reasons the buyers give me for building the boards, there is a small but strong movement in favour of pure surfing.

Let's hope the trend stays reasonably small.


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[TReMoR]

i think i kind of get the argument so ill input my own opinion as a mega noob

so... i still suck right? and i want to be able to ride along the face of the wave and stuff. For me, its fun even on the days i cant stand on my board. Once i get better and can ride along the face then my next step is to try to do tricks... isnt it? If the point is having fun, then it shouldnt be anyone's business. If doing a cutback or w.e puts a smile on your face there shouldnt be anything wrong with it. For instance when i skateboard, yea its nice to enjoy the wind and momentum, but i still want to be able to do tricks. It's fun! you know??! like if you accomplish your first ollie, kickflip w.e you have achieved something thourgh your hard work. Also you might get called out for a poser if you cant do a trick and your lugging around a skateboard but apart from that i think its human nature to try and distinguish themselves. That doesnt mean that people dont have fun while doing it. I dont know, but i want to be able to ride the waves, but i also want to be able to do something that challenges me, and waves can only challenge you so much. For me.. i couldn't care less what makes others happy. Not everyone does things because they think its cool AND not everything you do because you think is cool is bad either. Im sure that the polynesian surfers thought that being able to ride waves with a piece of wood was a "cool" thing to do. Im sure that people have fun doing tricks.. ,im also sure that people have fun just riding and flowing with the waves.


i dont really remember the point in writing this except to say "no point in critisizing others for how they have fun"

[SilverShark78]

Look, there is a lot of misunderstanding going on here. First off, in the surfing society there are many different personalities and "motivations". This diverse group of people is what can contribute to the polar views on such things.

Roy and I are not critisizing anybody. We are simply showing our point of view on this lifestyle that we all hold so dear to ourselves. The modern surfing culture has been geared more towards aggression. I REALLY don't think you can debate that. I take this to be objective. The roots of surfing is not aggression; it is the symbiotic relationship between the ocean and the surfer. Instead of fighting the wave, it is more natural to flow with the wave. It just makes more sense. If you, a human being, think that you can fight one of the most powerful and energetic forces of nature then you are not only ignorant, but foolhardy. And I truly don't believe many do think this. But surfers like Roy and me think that our surf style should reflect our relationship with the ocean; and this is a relationship of submission. You can't argue that this amazing and awesome force of nature can give and take life. Therefore, we surf like we feel. Resistance is not natural.

BUT, again. This is simply a point of view. Neither Roy or I look to instill our thoughts, feelings, and lifestyle on anybody. I'm not trying to sound negative, but this sort of thing, either the affirmation of it or not, really is intrinsic. You do what you feel. And this is what we feel. It doesn't affect guys like Roy how you surf. Do what you want. But don't put a spin on it that we're crazy or critical.